tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2118417656829755655.post4756423695594560092..comments2019-03-26T16:19:36.591+00:00Comments on Anti-Racists against Anti-Zionists: Greenstein and Feivel Polkes - More LiesMikeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07159358172162304507noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2118417656829755655.post-65091313159180761142011-08-17T22:52:23.420+01:002011-08-17T22:52:23.420+01:00because the Mufti was stupid.
Showing himself in f...because the Mufti was stupid.<br />Showing himself in front of camera or on photos, even if more honest, was STUPID !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2118417656829755655.post-75109455559168401872009-10-28T10:53:11.684+00:002009-10-28T10:53:11.684+00:00Chris,
You seem to be waffling on and I would be ...Chris,<br /><br />You seem to be waffling on and I would be interested to know what you were searching for that led you to this post. In any event, Nicosia wrote an earlier book, <i>The Third Reich and the Palestine Question</i> (I.B. Tauris, 1985) where he stated on p.245n63 that there was a file on Polkes in the Hagana Archives but he could not get access. In his more recent 2008 book, he has specifically used that archive and he does not make the same claim in his notes. Indeed, the bibliography of the 2008 book shows that he used information on Polkes from the Hagana Archive and I have provided you a reference. <br /><br />Whilst you waffle on about an alleged "'embarrassing' document" you are simply guessing that something exists that Nicosia has not turned up in his extensive research. <br /><br />If you are genuinely interested in this strange affair, I suggest that read Nicosia's 2008 book. I suspect that you are not really interested and all you want to do is try and make some kind of link between Zionism and Nazism. The problem for you is that such an attempt will not pass any academic muster. As Nicosia states quite clearly on pp.2-3 of his 2008 book<br /><br />"lest the reader imagine that the purpose of a study such as this is to somehow equate Zionism with National Socialism, Zionists with Nazis, or to portray that relationship as a willing and collaborative one between moral and political equals. The research, analysis, and conclusions contained in these pages do not in any way support such notions."<br /><br />Now, if you want evidence of collaboration with Nazis, one need no further than look at the Arab Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtNAcCXYK6MMikeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07159358172162304507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2118417656829755655.post-67252530973445155342009-10-28T01:21:51.035+00:002009-10-28T01:21:51.035+00:00Hello again. Since this is a year old, I don't...Hello again. Since this is a year old, I don't want to start a huge debate on it. The point though is: the Haganah archive has tons of documents, files, interviews, and any number of material. Nobody has suggested that the Haganah is somehow pretending that Polkes never existed and has removed any document that may be related to him. That the Hagana archives contains an interview with Polkes is hardly surprising. I bet they've got tons of files collected from all over the place related to him, and if you go as a scholar to the archives, you can find any number of documents, and cite them as coming from the archives.<br />Now, admitedly I do not know what this guy Greenstein has said, as I've stumbled on this page by accident. But the argument that has always been made regarding Polkes specifically and the archive, is about Polkes' private file, that the Hagana created and kept for its members and their activities. Again, that the archive keeps documents and interviews, and that an interview with Polkes may be included, is not controversial or contested. Specifically, the archives would have no reasons to not publish documents that are available in any case through other sources and publically, such as an interview, or the Nazi report. The question is with the documents the Hagana produced for its own use and in its own operations and organisation, regarding its members.THAT is the file that is not made public.<br /><br />But my main issue was with your own statement that you have a copy of 'The Secret Document of the Berlin Security Police Concerning Feivel Polkes of Tel Aviv' stamped from the Yad Washem and that this somehow refutes the argument made regarding the non-availability of the files... because it showed to me that you simply rushed to give a reply and missed the whole point of the argument or looked into it. The Berlin documents were recovered by the allies and have been available for decades. You can find quotes or the copy itself all over the place. It is from the Berlin documents that the accusations against Polkes are rooted. The controversy has always been that, there's these things about this man, which we all know from the Berlin documents, but the archives refused to release its own documents to find out what the Hagana knew and how deeply involved the organisation itself was. There has never been any controversy about the German files... and it seemed to me that if you did not understand that the German documents are the ones that people already know about, and base their accusations off, that nobody ever claimed they are secret (I've got my own copy right next to me as I write), you failed to grasp the nature of the controvery.<br /><br />Now admitedly, 'I' have never been to the Haganah archives, and the last I heard what I would term as reliable information that the file being unavailable was in 2003. Who knows, maybe the file WAS made available for Nicosia, but neither of the examples you have given (the Berlin papers and the interview) are indications of this.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2118417656829755655.post-61943732012754410762009-10-28T00:05:45.155+00:002009-10-28T00:05:45.155+00:00Chris,
I do not know if you have Nicosia's bo...Chris,<br /><br />I do not know if you have Nicosia's book, <i>Zionism and Anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany</i>, but in the event you do, please turn to p.294 in the bibliography. You will see here that Nicosia accessed at the Haganah Archives in Tel Aviv, reference 19.00042, an interview with Feivel Polkes.Mikeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07159358172162304507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2118417656829755655.post-19021661355238418402009-10-27T23:49:25.743+00:002009-10-27T23:49:25.743+00:00I just found this very late post in a search. You ...I just found this very late post in a search. You seem to miss the point entirely, and it speaks of your narrow-minded attempt to rationalise everything. ‘The Secret Document of the Berlin Security Police Concerning Feivel Polkes of Tel Aviv’ IS available, has been available for decades, with various copies, in Yad Washem, in Universities, in various archives, in websites, in books. It is the Haganah’s own file on Polkes that Israel refuses to release! There would be no point in Israel attempting to suppress the Nazi document, that was recovered ages ago by the allies, on which Israel does not have control, and is already widely circulated. Nor is there any doubt that there are files in Yad Washem and in Israel from various sources and from various places around the world for any scholar to use. The point is whether Israel has released its own private 'embarrasing' document. It has not.Chrisnoreply@blogger.com